Sunday, December 30, 2012

Justice & Judgment Group

If you have been assigned "justice & judgment", post your blog comments under this thread.

68 comments:

  1. Emily Segelhurst- An example of justice that I found was how the Ewell and Cunningham familes would pay back what they own even though they had no money. They found ways to pay for their debts by giving different crops for different servieces. This was most they could give and everyone accepted their offers.

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  2. Kelly - One example of justice I found was that Atticus had a black
    housekeeper named Calpurnia. She basically raises his children.
    Atticus gives the same amount of respect to her as he would anyone
    else that was a guest in his home. H teaches Jem and Scout to be
    mindful of their words and actions because of the time that they were
    in, a time where racism was at its strongest. I believe Atticus has a
    lack of prejudice which enables him to put up with people and their
    opposing opinions. Atticus sticks with his morals and does not let
    anybody persuade him to think otherwise.

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  3. Nicely said, Emily. And, Kelly, one of Atticus' major character traits is his decency towards all living things (you'll see what I mean when we meet the mad dog soon...) You are definitely barking up the right tree with your understanding of Atticus.

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  4. Liz- One example of judgement that i found in the book was when Miss Caroline was trying to convince Scout that she can not be as literate as she is without anyone ever teaching her. I feel like Miss Caroline takes her power as a teacher to Scout and her classmates a little too far. Because Scout is a young girl, i think that Caroline assumed that her knowledge is very juvenile and silly. Miss Caroline judged Scout's intelligance before she even got to know her and realize how smart Scout really is.

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    1. Liz, this is brilliant! I agree - it's sad when grown ups can't take what young people know seriously. You made me think of something and I don't really know what the answer is. I wonder if this was meant to plant a seed of doubt in the readers' minds so that we doubt Scout's intelligence and the important things she has to say later. I'll keep that in the back of my mind as we continue to read. Thanks for contributing to the discussion!

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  5. (Paige Freer) An example of justice would be when the Ewell child said that awful word to his teacher (S***). The justice part was when all the children in the class stood up for the teacher, telling her not to listen to him, they were telling her what a great teacher she was which took a lot of courage.

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    1. It sure did take courage especially when she didn't exactly seem to impress them earlier in the meeting!

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  6. (Jake Adams)-:)- One precise Example of justice would be when boo Radleys father was nasty to Boo. So in justice Boo Radley killed his father.

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    1. I think you're confused - Boo only stabbed his father. The wound did not kill him. Let's chat so you're clear on what happened.

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  7. maxwell reardon. a complimentary example justice is scout sticking up for the cunning ham kid when she knew she would be scolded. they also invited him to dinner which was very nice!

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    1. That is a great example - even though she knew she and the teacher were already off on a bad foot.

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  8. Emily Segelhurst- One example of judgment that I found was how Scout kept telling Jem and Dill that it was a bad idea to go onto the Radley property. Scout was showing that she had a good scene of judgement because she saw the danger of what they were doing and tried to warn them that they were making a mistake. Scout was also persistent and kept repeating herself saying that they should just leave him alone and stay away from the house because of the danger that was sure to follow (and she was right).

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    1. But Jem would say she was getting to be more of a girl every day!

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  9. Liz- In the last few chapters of this book i found an example of judgement. I think that Jem and Scout have misjudged Boo Radley. From all of the rumors that they have heard about him, they automatically think that Boo is a dangerous and creepy guy. Until they properly meet Boo Radley, i think that they should keep their minds open to his true personality. This situation is a great example of how rumors can effect your opinion on something or someone.

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  10. From Kelly Burns who Google drove this to me on Saturday afternoon:

    An example of Justice I found was in chapter 5 page 49. This was when
    Atticus was talking to the kids about being respectful of Boo Radley
    because the children were trying to get Boo Radley out of the house,
    and answer their questions. They hasd a fishing pole that they
    attached a note to. Atticus said "What Mr. Radley did was his own
    business. If he wanted to come out he would. If he wanted to stay
    inside free from the attentions of inquisitive children he would.
    Atticus was defending Boo Radley, because he probably felt that it was
    wrong for the children to hassling Boo, just to get answers from him.
    He mad the children question their actions. Later in the paragraph as
    Mr Radley was questioning Jem, he said that Jem and the others were
    "putting his life's history on display for the edification of the
    neighborhood."

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    1. Atticus is an honorable man. Watch what happens this week!

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  11. MAXWELL REARDON: Jem tried to serve justice by thanking whoever was leaving the gum and other gifts in the tree by writing a letter but before he could put the letter in the tree it had been cemented

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    1. Now I'm thinking - do you think Nathan Radley put cement in that tree to stop them from thanking whoever was doing that or to stop whoever was doing that from ever leaving surprises in the tree again? I never thought of it that way!

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    2. max: I think Nathan saw Jem an Scout getting stuff from in the tree one day and wanted to stop it.

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  12. Emily Segelhurst- An example of justice and judgment that I found was how Atticus was defending an African American man in court even though he knew it would cause talk about him. Atticus also knew that if he had not taken the case he would not be able to hold his head high or even tell his own kids what to do. Even though Atticus was judged, he made the right choice in taking that case and not giving much thought to what people were saying about him.

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  13. maxwell; Atticus did a justice to all living things by not using guns any more, its an unfair advantage, there wouldn't be anymore deer in the woods or birds in the sky. Also by being so good at shooting it made up for him being a old boring lawyer, this did justice on his social statuse.

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    1. Ah, great comparison. He now uses his power to help those in the legal system.

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  14. When Atticus was being a "gentlemen" to Mrs Dubose, he sure was being sarcastic> He was judging her by the way she looked>He told her that she was like a picture frame, or something similar to that> Even though she looked like an old rag, as he said afterwards.

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    1. Atticus is always a gentlemen. You, however, are anonymous. Let me know who posted this so I can give you credit!

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    2. The wild dog was gazing through the Finch's road, so Cal called Atticus to come and do something about that vicious animal. No one judged Atticus about leaving the court house to come home and deal with the "beast." He had to have a lot of justice in order to shoot a living creature, but he was trying to keep his children and neighbors safe.

      Paige Freer*

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  15. Emily Segelhurst- Atticus showed good judgement when he was having Jem and Scout help Mrs. Dubose by reading to her. Even though she requested for Jem to read to her, Atticus would have made him read to her to try and distract her.

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    1. That Atticus is quite the gentleman and this is super important as the trial begins.

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  16. Posting on behalf of Kelly who emailed me this on Saturday, 1/26: I read a little ahead. I found justice in the fact that Atticus chose
    to defend an African American man despite all the grief that he has
    and still will receive from the many people of Maycomb. Atticus
    believes in fair treatment in all people regardless of race. I find
    this very ironic that someone who doesn't believe in prejudice is in a
    time where racism and prejudice is at its peak. Also another form of
    justice I found was that when Scout's Uncle decided to hear the other
    side of the story of the argument that her and her cousin Francis had.
    Her uncle wanted to tell scout's aunt by she asked him not to. One
    thing I really admire about Scout is that she is very loyal. Atticus
    asked her to ignore all the negative comments and all the ridiculing
    that people gave her about him defending a black man. Even though it
    took everything out her not to let her uncle beat on Francis, she kept to her word that she wouldn't.

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    1. Liz Forsyth- One example of judgement was when Mrs. Dubose was calling Atticus a negro-lover. She does not understand or know why Atticus is working for Tom Robinson, and maybe she never will. I dont think she has the right to judge him before she finds out why he is doing what he is doing.

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  17. Maxwell Readon: scout judged atticus as old and boring until they found out that he was an expert marksman,"don't judge a book by its cover". this metaphor is applies literally to this book and Atticus.

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    1. MAX!!!! This is great - yes, this idea could be applied to the book!

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    2. Maxwell Reardon: Everyone in town knew of Mr.Dolphus Raymond, he was a drunk who's wife is black. Everyone judged him and said that he was evil because he married a black woman. His excuse was that he was a drunk which made him more of an outcast but everyone accepted it. Jem,Scout,and Dill came to find out it is just coke that he drinks.He explains to the kids that he fakes being a drunk so that people will leave him alone and not interfere with his marriage. So again, do not judge a book by its cover.

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  18. Maxwell Reardon : Justice was done when the black congregation donated 10 dollars to Tom Robinson's wife because Tom was in jail and his wife had kids and could not work. Justice was not served when Tom was falsely accused of rape and the court believed a pauper drunk white hick instead of the civil black man.

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  19. Emily Segelhurst- Atticus gave justice to Calpurnia and Aunt Alexandra by telling Scout that as long as they were in their house she had to listen to them and do what they say.

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  20. Jeremy- in part two an example of justice was Atticus protecting Tom Robinson from getting beaten by7-8 drunk at the holding cell.

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    1. Excellent, Jeremy - thanks for joining the conversation!

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  21. JAke Adams - an example of judgment was when calpernia,scout and Jem went to the church and the people asked calpurnia why she had brought Scout and jem with her because their white.

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    1. Yes, they were judging the kids and this time, the "majority" white kids weren't judging the minorities.

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  22. Paige Freer** I am going to make a prediction or more of an opinion for this blog... i feel that judgement is going to take place, which it already has about the accusings of Mr. Ewell rapeing that girl. And because of that, the Ewell family will not be provided with food, as no longer can the Ewell parents work because of this incident.

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    1. Interesting prediction - let's see if you're right.

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    2. Maxwell Reardon - I also thought the same thing, plus he could sue and gain something. if he can falsely accuses tom of rape even though it was him that beat mayella he could sue and get money or land. this would be a reason why he would want to do such a thing.

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  23. An example of judgement was when Aunt Alexandria decided that she needed to move in with the Finch family just because she thinks that Scout needs to become more girly. Even though she is their aunt i dont think that Aunt Alexandria quite understands how Scout and Jem are, or she doesn't care perhaps. Obviously we all now know that Scout is clearly a tomboy and for some reason Aunt Alexandria cannot accept that. I think she believes that everyone needs to act and look a certain way to be considered superior and higher ranked as other people, atleast that's how she carries herself.

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    1. Absolutely - you have a strong interpretation of Aunt Alexandra. But, who are you???? No name.

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    2. Liz! Sorry about that :P

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  24. Emily Segelhurst- Atticus was showing good judgement when he was actually trying to win the Tom Robbinson case. Atticus was only told that he had to work the case not try to win but he saw that it was the right thing to do and is defending Tom. He saw that there were flaws in the story that the Ewells were saying and he is bringing them up in court to try and win the case.

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  25. Paige freer. I thought that when atticus was standing up for tom Robinson people were judging him for being on the robinsons side.

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  26. Liz- An example of justice was during the trial when it was brought up that Mayella was hit on the right side of her face, and Atticus defended Tom Robinson. Tom's left hand was caught in a cotton gin as a boy and his arm is now deformed because of this. So, Atticus explained that it was impossible for Robinson to have hit Mayella hard enough to leave bruises because his left arm is barely functional as a result of the accident he encountered as a child.

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  27. Kelly Burns- The example of justice that I found was when Jem asked Scout to leave the courtroom, after Mr. Ewell said "I seen that black negro yonder ruttin' on my Mayella." He came to this conclusion after Judge Taylor, used his gravel for about 5 minutes. Although Scout was upset, I believe Scout did this in her best interest.

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    1. I ment Jem did this in Scout's best interest

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  28. jEREMY-AN EXAMLE OF JUDGEMENT is the court judging Mayella ewell for being young and untrustworthy

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  29. Benjamin Laudan- An example of justice is when Atticus defends Tom Robinson who is convicted of rape.Even though every body else accuses Tom Robinson of rape, because of his race, Atticus goes by evidence not race. An example of judgement is how Tom Robinson judges Mayella Ewell. When Mayella kept on lying about what happened to her Tom Robinson does not accuse her of being a liar he say's "she's mistaken in the head". Tom Robinson is a good man he knows Mayella is a good person who has had a hard life so he does not judge her instead he gives her the benefit of the doubt.

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  30. Ah, Benjamin! Welcome to our discussion! And brilliant ideas - the idea of Mayella being "mistaken in the head" is quite a nice way of saying she's a bit confused! Keep posting!

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  31. Emily Segelhurst- An example of judgment that I found was how much the way Mr. Gilmer was talking to Tom hurt Dill. He still saw how wrong it was for Mr. Gilmer to talk that way even after Scout was trying to calm him down by telling him that it was his job to talk like that. He understood that even though it was his job, he was not treating Tom with the respect he deserves.

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  32. Liz- An example of judgement was when Mr. Raymond was telling the kids about why he drinks coco-cola from a brown bag. Mr. Raymond said that he does this because people don't like the way he lives, so he acts like he's drunk all the time so that people can respect his lifestlye more because it seems like he can't change his ways. This just goes to show that some people in Maycomb are very judgemental and very quick to judge people just by their lifestyle as opposed to getting to know them for who they are.

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  33. Kelly Burns- One example of justic e I found was when Tom Robinson was about to leave the stand and Mr. Gilmer was about to replace his spot, Mr. Link Deas rose from the audience and announced: " I just want the whole lot of you to know one thing right now. That boy's worked for me eight years an' I ain't had a spec o' trouble outa him. Not a speck. I think this was justice not only for Tom Robinson but also Atticus. Now Atticus at least has one other person on his side. I believe that Mr Deas realizes that Tom Robinson is not guilty and is being falsely accused.

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  34. JEREMY-An example of judgment is when the tow accuses Tom Robinson of rape. I know this is in an older chapter but i came up again.

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  35. Good comments, all. When you read the next few chapters, you'll see a slightly different version of justice and how people are so concerned with the issues of people far, far away yet fail to recognize how those around them are suffering.

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  36. jake- An example of judgment is when tom robinson escaped from prison and then shot 17 times. Now if that was a white man what would of happened? I think if the white man escaped from prison he wouldn't of been shot at all. My reason of this is because of the fact that this has to with Discrimination. The only thing that most likely would have happened to the white man would have been
    him getting caught and arrested again, put back in prison, and also put back in court and to be extended your release date back in prison.

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  37. Emily Segelhurst- I saw that Scout was showing good judgement when she realized that what Hitler was doing to the Jewish people was happening right in their town with black people. Also I liked how Scout spoke out about it trying to open peoples mind and see that what they were saying that was wrong and disgusted them, they were doing to the black people.

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  38. I think judgemnt was made when Tom Robinson tried to escape from jail. He new he was going to die somehow soon. But this was the closest chance he had for survival. The white chiefs at the jail caught him just before he got over the fence, and they shot him 17 times. Although if it was a white man the probably still would have shot, but just not as many times.

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  39. Liz- Scout's judgement was shown when Cecil Jacobs was discussing Hitler's beginning reign in class. Scout thought about this and realized that it is almost exactly the same in Maycomb county with the black and white people. She saw similarities between the way Hitler treated people and how black people were treated in Maycomb. This not only shows how intelligent Scout is but how she notices that people are treated unfairly in Maycomb, and she is just a young girl.

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  40. Kelly Burns- One example of judgement I found was in the halloween pageant. When Mrs. Merriweather called for Scout to come out on the stage, and she didn't come out right away. Mrs Merriweather found Scout backstage, she said she "ruined her pageant" even though everybody was cheering. " She made me feel awful," was Scout's reaction to her comment. An adult should not treat a child like that, especially if nothing bad came of it. In fact the audience got a kick out of it and cheered!

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  41. Jeremy- an example of judgement is how it seemed like most of the guards were ready to shoot Tom Robinson

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  42. Maxwell Reardon: I cannot stress how much the theme is judgment. A lot of things are not as they seem like Boo. All the gossip in town about him made it look like he was crazed, evil, and ugly. It turns out he was not ugly, and although he was a little slow he was not crazy. Also justice was served to Bob Ewell. Because he condemned innocent Tom Robinson to death, he got what he deserved when he tripped and fell on his knife.

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