Morality and ethics is right from wrong, good from bad. When we read this week, Miss caroline gave Walter Cunningham a quarter for lunch. That is the right thing to do. Walter did not pay Miss Caroline back, that is the wrong thing to do.
Yes, the teacher did give him a quarter which seemed the right thing to do until we realized that the poor kid would never accept the money because he could never pay it back. It has to be hard going through life wishing someone could help you but knowing you can't accept any help.
Olivia Harvey- I did not think it was right that Boo killed his father and was not put in an insane asylum. Instead he was just put in the courthouse basement just because there were Afican American people already in there. If you did something against the law color should not matter or change your punishment.
Good, Olivia - but he didn't kill his father when he stabbed him with those scissors. That was just the incident that made his family think he was a little off. And, you are right - they decided just to keep him locked up at home. It probably came off that they didn't want him to be "locked away" but from what we know about those times, the fact that he would be put in a place with black people was probably another reason.
She did have the courage to stand up for him by telling the teacher why he couldn't take her quarter for lunch. She did it even though she knew she and the teacher had gotten off on the wrong foot and that she would probably get in more trouble for speaking up against the teacher. But she did it anyway - kind of lets you know what kind of girl she really is despite her sassiness! Thanks for contributing to the discussion!
I think that in the book boo should have been sent somewhere after he had killed his dad. I thouht that that was not right and they wouldnt send him because of the african americans being there. Morgan Phillips
Morgan p I made a mistake boo stabbed his father while clipping peices of the newspaper he did not kill him. I still think they shoukd have done something about him doing that because he could do it agian
That's ok that you made a mistake - it's how we learn. You're right he did stab him (which isn't such a great thing even if he didn't kill him) and his father reacted by saying they shouldn't commit him to the mental hospital. Maybe his father was still trying to protect his son or maybe he knew that he didn't mean it and that he just has some issues that can't be fixed?? I wonder....
Yes, I think this is a good example of morality and ethics. However, it's late (was due last night at midnight). So, this will count towards this week's post. Thanks, Emily!
Dean, I think you're confused. Jem and Scout have never played basketball in Jem's room in the book. Where did you get that idea? Let's chat so I can help clear your confusion.
Olivia Harvey- I do not think it was right that Dill, Scout, and Jem were trying to get Boo to come out of his house. Everybody is entitled to stay inside their house if they choose. I also think that is a form a violation towards Boo.
Emily Kelleher- I think it was very kind of Boo Radley to put the blanket around Scout when she was cold. Also I think morality was shown when everybody pitched in to stop the fire at Mrs. Maudie's house and then to carry out all her furniture for her.
It's such a drastic difference between what the community thinks of Boo and the behavior he has actually shown Scout & Jem. Interesting...should make you think twice about anything Jem says about Boo!
Olivia Harvey- I do not think it was right that Scout's family would not listen to her side of the story. Francis was the one that started all of the drama, but his grandma would believe him because he is a spoiled brat and she thinks that he is an angel. Scout was just trying to defend herself and her father and his beliefs.
Maybe this is meant to teach us that sometimes those who are privileged in society (hmmm... like the Ewells) get a voice over those who should just be silent and never stand up for themselves (Tom Robinson)???? Maybe it was meant to make us angry for what's to come??
Morgan Phillips~ In Chapter 8, there is the first real snowfall that Maycomb has experienced in years. This is such a rare happening that school is closed. With the small amount of snow that falls, Jem and Scout make a snowman that resembles their cranky neighbor Mr. Avery
Anonymous A good example of fear in this chapter is when atticus is asked to shoot the dog. He doesnt know if he can hit it because he hasnt shot in so long. HE takes the chance and kills it anyway
I wonder if he was scared he'd miss or was he scared that he would have to show off his talent. This is a great comment but there's no name - let me know who you are so I can give you credit.
Olivia Harvey- I did not think that Mrs. Dubose should have made Scout and Jem stay and read to her. I mean I understand that she was going through withdrawal and she did not want to face the facts that she was going to die, but it still is not right. Also, Atticus was making them go, which a child not be forced to do anything they wish not to. I do think though, that she was lonely and she wanted to get her mind off of the situation.
I'm glad you are looking on the flip side - it would be tough for kids to see her suffering like that (let alone having to hear all the terrible things she was saying to her).
Mike seccharoli I think Atticus is doing the right thing in defending Tom Robinson because I believe he is innocent and the people who accused him were just racist
Dean Adams - When Jem and scout read to mrs dubose. Mrs dubose is so old that she always yells at Jem and scout. In the end, Mrs Dubose dies of a seizure
This is true but what does this have to do with your theme: morality and ethics? How was her yelling at them either immoral or unethical or the right thing to do? Expand a bit more next week.
Emily Kelleher- I think that morality is shown by Atticus when he chooses to defend Tom Robinson. He knows that people around him will begin to lose respect for him because he is defending a man of color, but he goes through with it anyways.
Dean Adams- When Calpurnia brings Jem and Scout to an all-black church. That's when Lula yells at Calpurnia for bringing Jem and Scout. It was immortal for Calpurnia to bring Jem and Scout to an all-black church because Jem and Scout are white, so it would be very strange to be the only white people in a church
So, Dean, "immoral" means against the normal rules. Was it immoral of her or was it against the rules of kindness of Lula to yell at the kids? Just wondering...
Olivia Harvey- I do not think that Aunt Alexandra should tell Scout who to do and what to look like. Scout has her own personality and her own look. If she wants to wear overalls, then she should wear overalls. If she wants to be like one of the "guys", she should be able to act as so. Aunt Alexandra should not judge people because I am sure there are many things people would judge her for. She should be respectful to everyone and everything.
Emily Kelleher- I agree with Dean. If a colored person cannot go to an all-white building, the same rules should apply to the opposite race in order to keep the idea of "seperate but equal."
Olivia Harvey- I do not think that the group of people in the courtroom should be judging Atticus and Tom Robinson. Atticus was given the job to defend Tom Robinson, and that is what he wanted to do. He wanted to prove to everybody that Tom was not guilty. You cannot judge a book by his cover. You cannot say that Tom raped this girl just because he is black.
Mike Secchiaroli i think that aunt Alexandra has overstayed her welcome and should not try to change scout because atticus knows what he is doing with the help of calpurnia to raise her.
Dean Adams- Scout is getting revenge on Walter Cunningham by beating him up again in school. That is not the right thing to do because if you beat someone up in school, you can get suspended, or possibly expelled
Olivia Harvey- Mr. Link Deas stood up in the courtroom to talk about how good of an employee Tom Robinson was. Judge Taylor kicked him out because he was saying good things about a colored man. I think this is ridiculous! He was just standing up for Tom. The judge was just mad because he was speaking the truth and the judge needs to realize that sometimes the truth hurts. I was very glad that Mr. Link Deas tried to get Tom justice.
Dean Adams- When Tom Robinson does not say the truth in the trial. before you get up to the podium, you have to say an oath that promises you to say the full truth about something. Tom Robinson lied
And, Dean, think of the body language that Scout & Jem paid attention to - they said it looked like Tom Robinson was telling the truth. I'm not sure he did lie - do you think he did?
Olivia Harvey- I was very upset with the fact that they killed Tom Robinson. First of all, I cannot believe they blamed Tom Robinson for something he DID NOT DO!! Second of all, they killed him for escaping jail which he should not have done, but at the same time I am glad he tried to escape for something he did not do.
Emily Kelleher- I think morality was shown when Mr. Link Deas offers Tom Robinson's wife, Helen, a job. Nobody else would hire her because of her situation, and because Tom was such a good worker for him, he gave her a job. I also think morality it shown when Mr. Link Deas stands up for Helen by confrontung Mr. Ewell about taunting her.
Dean Adams- When Tom Robinson was shot 17 times after he escaped from prison. i think usually it would only take about 4-5 shots to kill someone. but 17? i guess Tom Robinson was strong enough to handle 17 bullets
Olivia Harvey- I could not believe that Atticus was blaming Jem for killing Mr. Ewell. Jem clearly would never do something like that and Mr. Tate kept telling him that Mr. Ewell killed himself. It was obvious that Boo killed him, but nobody wanted to put that man on trial considering he was kind of "sick in the head." I was glad that Mr. Tate kept trying to tell Atticus that Jem did not do anything and that he was just trying to tell Atticus to be happy that Mr. Ewell would not be bothering his children or anyone else anymore.
Dean Adams
ReplyDeleteMorality and ethics is right from wrong, good from bad. When we read this week, Miss caroline gave Walter Cunningham a quarter for lunch. That is the right thing to do. Walter did not pay Miss Caroline back, that is the wrong thing to do.
Yes, the teacher did give him a quarter which seemed the right thing to do until we realized that the poor kid would never accept the money because he could never pay it back. It has to be hard going through life wishing someone could help you but knowing you can't accept any help.
DeleteOlivia Harvey- I did not think it was right that Boo killed his father and was not put in an insane asylum. Instead he was just put in the courthouse basement just because there were Afican American people already in there. If you did something against the law color should not matter or change your punishment.
ReplyDeleteGood, Olivia - but he didn't kill his father when he stabbed him with those scissors. That was just the incident that made his family think he was a little off. And, you are right - they decided just to keep him locked up at home. It probably came off that they didn't want him to be "locked away" but from what we know about those times, the fact that he would be put in a place with black people was probably another reason.
DeleteScout stand up for the walter cunningham
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She did have the courage to stand up for him by telling the teacher why he couldn't take her quarter for lunch. She did it even though she knew she and the teacher had gotten off on the wrong foot and that she would probably get in more trouble for speaking up against the teacher. But she did it anyway - kind of lets you know what kind of girl she really is despite her sassiness! Thanks for contributing to the discussion!
DeleteI think that in the book boo should have been sent somewhere after he had killed his dad. I thouht that that was not right and they wouldnt send him because of the african americans being there. Morgan Phillips
ReplyDeleteMorgan p I made a mistake boo stabbed his father while clipping peices of the newspaper he did not kill him. I still think they shoukd have done something about him doing that because he could do it agian
ReplyDeleteThat's ok that you made a mistake - it's how we learn. You're right he did stab him (which isn't such a great thing even if he didn't kill him) and his father reacted by saying they shouldn't commit him to the mental hospital. Maybe his father was still trying to protect his son or maybe he knew that he didn't mean it and that he just has some issues that can't be fixed?? I wonder....
DeleteEmily K- When Scout stood up for the Cunningham boy.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think this is a good example of morality and ethics. However, it's late (was due last night at midnight). So, this will count towards this week's post. Thanks, Emily!
DeleteI thougt it was the right thing to when scout stood up for the cunningham boy morgan p
DeleteYes, Morgan - it was the right thing but expand on your thinking a bit.
DeleteSam balesteri- when calpurnia helped the little white boy even though she was black
ReplyDeleteCalpurnia is a woman of dignity and respect.
DeleteDean Adams- When Jem and Scout played basketball in Jem's room
ReplyDeleteDean, I think you're confused. Jem and Scout have never played basketball in Jem's room in the book. Where did you get that idea? Let's chat so I can help clear your confusion.
Deletei know they played a game in Jem's room, i was just confused by what game they were playing
DeleteOlivia Harvey- I do not think it was right that Dill, Scout, and Jem were trying to get Boo to come out of his house. Everybody is entitled to stay inside their house if they choose. I also think that is a form a violation towards Boo.
ReplyDeleteGood thinking - Boo seems perfectly content in that house. Or is he?
DeleteEmily Kelleher- I think it was very kind of Boo Radley to put the blanket around Scout when she was cold. Also I think morality was shown when everybody pitched in to stop the fire at Mrs. Maudie's house and then to carry out all her furniture for her.
ReplyDeleteIt's such a drastic difference between what the community thinks of Boo and the behavior he has actually shown Scout & Jem. Interesting...should make you think twice about anything Jem says about Boo!
DeleteOlivia Harvey- I do not think it was right that Scout's family would not listen to her side of the story. Francis was the one that started all of the drama, but his grandma would believe him because he is a spoiled brat and she thinks that he is an angel. Scout was just trying to defend herself and her father and his beliefs.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this is meant to teach us that sometimes those who are privileged in society (hmmm... like the Ewells) get a voice over those who should just be silent and never stand up for themselves (Tom Robinson)???? Maybe it was meant to make us angry for what's to come??
DeleteMorgan Phillips~ In Chapter 8, there is the first real snowfall that Maycomb has experienced in years. This is such a rare happening that school is closed. With the small amount of snow that falls, Jem and Scout make a snowman that resembles their cranky neighbor Mr. Avery
ReplyDeleteAnd Atticus promptly tells them they cannot mock their neighbor...so, they turn it into Miss Maudie!
DeleteDean Adams- an example of morality and ethics is when Atticus did not know if he wanted to kill Tim Johnson because he has not shot a gun in 30 years
ReplyDeleteExactly...and it wasn't so much that he was afraid to shoot a gun, he just respects life. Nice post.
DeleteScout tried to stop fight everyone and fail when she got it to a fight with her cousin
ReplyDelete-Sydney
Scout never did meet a fight she didn't like - especially when she fought that pesky Francis!
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ReplyDeleteA good example of fear in this chapter is when atticus is asked to shoot the dog. He doesnt know if he can hit it because he hasnt shot in so long. HE takes the chance and kills it anyway
I wonder if he was scared he'd miss or was he scared that he would have to show off his talent. This is a great comment but there's no name - let me know who you are so I can give you credit.
Deletewhen he shoots the dog because the dog had rabies and the dog was crazy. Morgan P
ReplyDeleteDo you think he might think he was less moral or ethical because he had to kill the dog?
DeleteOlivia Harvey- I did not think that Mrs. Dubose should have made Scout and Jem stay and read to her. I mean I understand that she was going through withdrawal and she did not want to face the facts that she was going to die, but it still is not right. Also, Atticus was making them go, which a child not be forced to do anything they wish not to. I do think though, that she was lonely and she wanted to get her mind off of the situation.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you are looking on the flip side - it would be tough for kids to see her suffering like that (let alone having to hear all the terrible things she was saying to her).
DeleteMike seccharoli
ReplyDeleteI think Atticus is doing the right thing in defending Tom Robinson because I believe he is innocent and the people who accused him were just racist
You are thinking along the right lines...but we know about the time period. Tom Robinson had no chance based on what we know.
DeleteDean Adams - When Jem and scout read to mrs dubose.
ReplyDeleteMrs dubose is so old that she always yells at Jem and scout. In the end, Mrs Dubose dies of a seizure
This is true but what does this have to do with your theme: morality and ethics? How was her yelling at them either immoral or unethical or the right thing to do? Expand a bit more next week.
DeleteEmily Kelleher- I think that morality is shown by Atticus when he chooses to defend Tom Robinson. He knows that people around him will begin to lose respect for him because he is defending a man of color, but he goes through with it anyways.
ReplyDeleteAnd isn't it a sign of a man's true character that how he acts when no one is looking is what he is really like?
DeleteDean Adams- When Calpurnia brings Jem and Scout to an all-black church. That's when Lula yells at Calpurnia for bringing Jem and Scout. It was immortal for Calpurnia to bring Jem and Scout to an all-black church because Jem and Scout are white, so it would be very strange to be the only white people in a church
ReplyDeleteSo, Dean, "immoral" means against the normal rules. Was it immoral of her or was it against the rules of kindness of Lula to yell at the kids? Just wondering...
DeleteOlivia Harvey- I do not think that Aunt Alexandra should tell Scout who to do and what to look like. Scout has her own personality and her own look. If she wants to wear overalls, then she should wear overalls. If she wants to be like one of the "guys", she should be able to act as so. Aunt Alexandra should not judge people because I am sure there are many things people would judge her for. She should be respectful to everyone and everything.
ReplyDeleteExcellent - Aunt Alexandra is all about keeping up "airs" - they are Finch blood - they ARE better than everyone else, you know?!
DeleteEmily Kelleher- I agree with Dean. If a colored person cannot go to an all-white building, the same rules should apply to the opposite race in order to keep the idea of "seperate but equal."
ReplyDeleteInteresting! But the question begs to be asked: should we be kept separate at any time?
DeleteI do not think the kids should have been mad at calpurnia for trying to be mor like her people at the church ~ Mike Secchiaroli
ReplyDeleteOlivia Harvey- I do not think that the group of people in the courtroom should be judging Atticus and Tom Robinson. Atticus was given the job to defend Tom Robinson, and that is what he wanted to do. He wanted to prove to everybody that Tom was not guilty. You cannot judge a book by his cover. You cannot say that Tom raped this girl just because he is black.
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ReplyDeletei think that aunt Alexandra has overstayed her welcome and should not try to change scout because atticus knows what he is doing with the help of calpurnia to raise her.
Dean Adams- Scout is getting revenge on Walter Cunningham by beating him up again in school. That is not the right thing to do because if you beat someone up in school, you can get suspended, or possibly expelled
ReplyDeleteOlivia Harvey- Mr. Link Deas stood up in the courtroom to talk about how good of an employee Tom Robinson was. Judge Taylor kicked him out because he was saying good things about a colored man. I think this is ridiculous! He was just standing up for Tom. The judge was just mad because he was speaking the truth and the judge needs to realize that sometimes the truth hurts. I was very glad that Mr. Link Deas tried to get Tom justice.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine the tension in that room??
DeleteDean Adams- When Tom Robinson does not say the truth in the trial. before you get up to the podium, you have to say an oath that promises you to say the full truth about something. Tom Robinson lied
ReplyDeleteAnd, Dean, think of the body language that Scout & Jem paid attention to - they said it looked like Tom Robinson was telling the truth. I'm not sure he did lie - do you think he did?
ReplyDeleteI think that the man who used to hire Tom Robinson hired his wife in such a time of her need especially after he was killed
ReplyDeleteOlivia Harvey- I was very upset with the fact that they killed Tom Robinson. First of all, I cannot believe they blamed Tom Robinson for something he DID NOT DO!! Second of all, they killed him for escaping jail which he should not have done, but at the same time I am glad he tried to escape for something he did not do.
ReplyDeleteEmily Kelleher- I think morality was shown when Mr. Link Deas offers Tom Robinson's wife, Helen, a job. Nobody else would hire her because of her situation, and because Tom was such a good worker for him, he gave her a job. I also think morality it shown when Mr. Link Deas stands up for Helen by confrontung Mr. Ewell about taunting her.
ReplyDeleteDean Adams- When Tom Robinson was shot 17 times after he escaped from prison. i think usually it would only take about 4-5 shots to kill someone. but 17? i guess Tom Robinson was strong enough to handle 17 bullets
ReplyDeleteOlivia Harvey- I could not believe that Atticus was blaming Jem for killing Mr. Ewell. Jem clearly would never do something like that and Mr. Tate kept telling him that Mr. Ewell killed himself. It was obvious that Boo killed him, but nobody wanted to put that man on trial considering he was kind of "sick in the head." I was glad that Mr. Tate kept trying to tell Atticus that Jem did not do anything and that he was just trying to tell Atticus to be happy that Mr. Ewell would not be bothering his children or anyone else anymore.
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